Can I Continue the File Number After 9999 on Nikon D750
Be Ware of File numer indexing beyond 9999 and automatic folder increment
Be Ware of File numer indexing beyond 9999 and automatic folder increment
Recently I took a long month trip and took over 6000 shots on my D300 with D80 as backup. Without knowing (my fault not reading D300 manu) the file number went beyond DSC9999 and started over begining at DSC0100 and later I learned the folder on CF card also indexed automatically. Without thinking I thought there was only one big folder, so when I finished backing up my spent CF card I reformated it on D300 and deleted the second folder that was created by D300 automatically. I lost about 200 precious pictures.
What is your way of assuring this not happening besides watching for File numer indexing and automatic folder increment? How you experts handle tons of picture files on tour?
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jfriend00 • Forum Pro • Posts: 13,390
Re: Be Ware of File numer indexing beyond 9999 and automatic folder increment
If you use a program designed for downloading your images off your card (like Adobe Lightroom or DownloaderPro), then they will copy all your images for you regardless of how many folders the camera put them in and you don't have to worry about that.
If you haven't used the card since you reformatted it, the images are still there and a recovery program (like ImageRescue from Lexar) can probably retrieve them.
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Re: Be Ware of File numer indexing beyond 9999 and automatic folder increment
ahyiyoung wrote:
I lost about 200 precious pictures.
You do realize that even when you delete them, they're not really gone? All the camera/PC does is change a marker at the beginning of the file that basically says "It's OK to overwrite this" but the picture is still there. SO STOP USING THAT CARD NOW!!!! As long as nothing else is written, software like Flash Memory Toolkit can probably recover your photos.
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Re: Be Ware of File numer indexing beyond 9999 and automatic folder increment
ahyiyoung wrote:
Recently I took a long month trip and took over 6000 shots on my D300 with D80 as backup. Without knowing (my fault not reading D300 manu) the file number went beyond DSC9999 and started over begining at DSC0100 and later I learned the folder on CF card also indexed automatically. Without thinking I thought there was only one big folder, so when I finished backing up my spent CF card I reformated it on D300 and deleted the second folder that was created by D300 automatically. I lost about 200 precious pictures.
What is your way of assuring this not happening besides watching for File numer indexing and automatic folder increment? How you experts handle tons of picture files on tour?
Two things:
(1) I rarely ever format my cards; if I do, I first double-check or triple-check that there isn't anything useful left on the card;
(2) I don't copy files from the card to the PC, but "move" them so that I don't have two copies.
I never look at file numbers at all; the script I use for copying over just copies everything from the card over to the PC, then goes through and rename all the files with the date and time in the file name.
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Re: Be Ware of File numer indexing beyond 9999 and automatic folder increment
I move my photos to a folder on my computer named according to the year and month. When going around the clock at 10 000, 20 000, etc, I add the correct digit using search&replace in Total Commander.
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Re: Be Ware of File numer indexing beyond 9999 and automatic folder increment
I never format a card until I have two backups. I just carry more cards for most trips. I also have two 360GB USB hard drives in my camera backpack, and I use either my wife's laptop or a new netbook I just bought to download the images each night to the laptop, and then from there to a USB drive. i use DownloaderPro to pull images from card (or camera in mass storage mode), rename/rotate them, and save them.
As someone mentioned, you might be able to get the images back off the card, if you haven't overwritten them after reformatting the card. There is a lot of software out there designed to recover images from cards with that or other situations.
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Re: Be Ware of File numer indexing beyond 9999 and automatic folder increment
Like they said see if you can pull the images off the card with software.
I prefer direct hook up with all my cameras and it works fine. One more digit to the file would be nice then it would roll over at 99,999 instead of 9999 but you would probably still run into that problems since most likely you will only see it once.
The best mess I have ever heard was when a person set their d50 to start the pictures over at zero every time and when they transfered them to the computer it over writes the others. He only lost a month of work. Fortunately I was backing up his files too at work so he didn't lose more then 20 or so images.
You can also change your names in camera. Mine start with Don. So I knew who took them. Kind of important when you have 3 cameras used by different people. But then I also have the image content saying my email address.
You can cull lots of great information here on the rollover issue which also makes what you experienced here less of an issue. Personally I import the images during the import my photos are renamed (now I don't care about the file #'s), check to make sure they all copied off. Then I put my card(s) back in the camera and format.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1039&message=33067322
ahyiyoung wrote:
Recently I took a long month trip and took over 6000 shots on my D300 with D80 as backup. Without knowing (my fault not reading D300 manu) the file number went beyond DSC9999 and started over begining at DSC0100 and later I learned the folder on CF card also indexed automatically. Without thinking I thought there was only one big folder, so when I finished backing up my spent CF card I reformated it on D300 and deleted the second folder that was created by D300 automatically. I lost about 200 precious pictures.
What is your way of assuring this not happening besides watching for File numer indexing and automatic folder increment? How you experts handle tons of picture files on tour?
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Delete VS Format?
Format means complete wipe out, there's no chance for recovery, all images are gone. Delete the images are still there and a recovery program can be use. This is not correct? Some thinks delete and format are the same, but I don't think they are.
I never format my card unless I have an issue with the card and attempting a repair by formatting. Sometimes I use my card in my PC to transfer files from PC to another, then I will format card in camera. But besides that, I use the delete function to delete my images. Also use Nikon Transfer to transfer my images to PC. That way I know all images are transferred.
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Re: Delete VS Format?
MTT wrote:
Format means complete wipe out, there's no chance for recovery, all images are gone. Delete the images are still there and a recovery program can be use. This is not correct? Some thinks delete and format are the same, but I don't think they are.
There is clearly a difference between delete and format. Delete is easier to recover from, but format does not mean all data is gone. A file system contains a directory entry that points to the actual data for a file. When you delete a file, the directory entry is marked as deleted and the data in the file is marked as "free space" in the storage system that can be used for future storage of other files. If no other data has been written to the card, it's not hard for a software program that understands how the data structures in the file system work to find the directory entries marked as deleted and find the files that they point to and offer to "recover" them. If other data has been written to the storage system, then the directory entry itself may get written over (thus the software couldn't find it) or the actual storage that was holding the file may get written over with new data (in which case the data is now actually gone). But, if you immediately try to recover before writing new data to the card, you can nearly always recover deleted files.
When you soft format a card (which is usually what we're doing), all it does is take the top level directory and re-initialize it and then mark all other blocks on the card as free. If you previously had a whole bunch of images on the card, those images are still there on the card. They are a little harder to find now because the directory structure that was pointing to all the files on the card is now obscured. It's actually still there on the card somewhere (as long as you haven't written other data to the card), but it takes some sleuthing by the software in order to find it. It can often be done with the right software if you try the recovery before other data is written to the card.
There is also an operation that some call a "hard format". That attempts to literally rewrite every byte on the card. If that is done, then all data has been overwritten and only very, very advanced forensic methods that look for some evidence of what used to be in the storage have a chance at recovery. This can sometimes be done for some data on magnetic storage media. I don't know if it's even possible in flash memory media. In any case, it's not something that any typical recovery program can do.
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Re: Be Ware of File numer indexing beyond 9999 and automatic folder increment
Thank you all for the tips. I was able to recover all my "lost" files on a reformatted 8gb Lexar Pro 300X with the RecoverMyPhotos download from getdata.com. The only strange thing is all NEF files now recovered as TIF's.
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Re: Delete VS Format?
Mark - you are wrong and you are doing it wrong.
As others have explained - you CAN retrieve images after a format - you just need one of the many programs that will do this.
And guess what ? You shouldn't delete images from your card. That is much more likely to eventually mess up your card than doing a format. Like others have said, copy the images to your hard drive and make sure they are there (many people make two copies) and then you should put the card back into the camera and format it before every time you go out to take photos.
Formatting the card is good for the card. Just deleting the photos can often lead to problems and often takes longer than doing a format.
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Re: Be Ware of File numer indexing beyond 9999 and automatic folder increment
Jim you can recover your .nefs... That is strange that the program used to recover your files actually converted or renamed them to .TIF. That doesn't sound right (maybe it is but I don't think so...) Just curious have you tried renaming the .tif back to an .nef and see if the RAW data is there?
Here is a good thread on many of the software apps out there that will recover your photos. Good luck...
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1039&message=31798002
ahyiyoung wrote:
Thank you all for the tips. I was able to recover all my "lost" files on a reformatted 8gb Lexar Pro 300X with the RecoverMyPhotos download from getdata.com. The only strange thing is all NEF files now recovered as TIF's.
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MTT • Veteran Member • Posts: 4,954
Thanks guys,
I stand corrected and glad to here it. A buddy of mine told me he formatted his card lost his pictures [not his fault, long story] and I told him all is lost. Well now I can try to recover the pictures for him. Delete not good for the card? Well I guess I better start formatting the card instead. And yes, the card does format faster then delete.
Thanks,
Mark
PerfectPoms wrote:
Mark - you are wrong and you are doing it wrong.
As others have explained - you CAN retrieve images after a format - you just need one of the many programs that will do this.
And guess what ? You shouldn't delete images from your card. That is much more likely to eventually mess up your card than doing a format. Like others have said, copy the images to your hard drive and make sure they are there (many people make two copies) and then you should put the card back into the camera and format it before every time you go out to take photos.
Formatting the card is good for the card. Just deleting the photos can often lead to problems and often takes longer than doing a format.
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9999 issues and recovery issues
In relation to the renaming issue at 9999, there was a recent thread here which you may wish to read which covered a range of options for dealing with this:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1039&message=33067322
In relation to formatting and recovery, regular reformatting is generally better as it prevents fragmented files. In many instances, recovery of files is fairly simple with the right software as the format is generally just a quick format that only deletes the file allocation table. However in some cameras it is possible to do what is described as a low level format. Canon cameras (yes, I know that this is a Nikon forum) that use an SD card have a low level format option. I may have to attempt to recover my son's card from a possible low level format in the near future, and my research suggests that it is highly unlikely to be recoverable if it was indeed a low level format. (It's not entirely clear what Canon means by a low level format, which must be different to a HDD low level format, but if really it means that every bit has been written to, then recovery will be impossible.)
But I've not seen a low level format option for CF cards used in Nikon dSLRs, because the card has its own controller, unlike an SD card. CF recovery should be straight-forward if the card is in good working order. If it's not, recovery is still possible using more advanced software. You would be surprised just how much data good recovery sofware can find in areas of the card that have not been written to for some time.
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